PCG gets Typhoon 25 mm Naval Gun "to patrol off Pedra Branca

lionnoisy SG

PCG gets Typhoon 25 mm Naval Gun "to patrol the waters off Pedra Branca"

The new Shark Class of Singapore Police Coast Guard Patrol boat get

Typhoon MK 25 25 mm naval stabalized gun and one to two MG!!

The fire power is similiar to Australia

This is not a country bashing.Just copy fr ST!!Interesting.

Why did they need mentioning Pedra Branca?

The 10 new Coastal Patrol Craft, which were designed in Holland and built locally at a cost of $17 million each, will replace the current fleet which has been in service since 1993. -- ST PHOTO: CAROLINE CHIA

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_403963.html

Three vessels are currently in service and the rest will become operational by next year. They will also be used to patrol the waters off Pedra Branca.

Another new feature on board is the Typhoon MK 25 II 25mm gun - the highest calibre in the Singapore Police Force - which is controlled remotely in the vessel's bridge. It is able to hit a target 2.7km away.

This should be the gun.can anyone post today ST photo here with the gun close up.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_404343.html

THE NEW GENERATION

THE OLD GENERATION

above--The Typhoon 25mm Stabilised Naval Gun System on the new (Singapore )Police Coast Guard boat is fired remotely from the bridge. -- ST PHOTO: CAROLINE CHIA

(lion note--Shark Class PB of SINGAPORE )

http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/1/941.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc

Is one degree =17.45 mrad?see above image for accuracy.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_403963.html

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/442778/1/.html

http://www.spf.gov.sg/prints/plm/2009/febmar09_pg04.htm

http://www.mha.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=MTQ2NA%3D%3D-XCO47GlvBwI%3D

www.damen.nl-----contractor

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Spec--from the above sources in opening post.

Weapons--Typhoon Mk 25 25 mm gun.(lion note--And 1 to 2 MG.)Typhoon--a fully automated firing control system. The firing control system will automatically track targets at sea, and fires at a rate of 100 to 200 rounds per minute, with an accuracy of approximately one hit for every five rounds fired.

---to engage a target with higher hit probability from as far as 1.5 nautical miles (lion note-2.7 km ) away. It can also compute and compensate for the constant movement of illegal vessels, adjusting the trajectory of the gun automatically to ensure successful engagement.

---15 men to operate,

Spec--from the above sources in opening post

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Acidshuriken SG

a bit hardcore for pcg?

LazerLordz SG

Nothing is ever too hard-core for counter-piracy ops.

It is a good thing to beef up our PCG, because by improving their capability for home waters patrol and deterrance, we can free up the RSN for more substantial duties at greater distances from home.

Singmarine SG

Is it the same calibre gun that RSN install on the Endurance class LST when they patrol in the GUlf? I think is the same calibire with our Bionx 25mm also, right??

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

If I recall, lionnoisy was making a lot of noise some time back about how he thinks 25mm autocannons were a bad choice for any patrol boat... because the Armidale used them.

lionnoisy SG

If I recall, lionnoisy was making a lot of noise some time back about how he thinks 25mm autocannons were a bad choice for any patrol boat... because the Armidale used them.

I think i mean 25 mm is not enough for naval patrol boats.

Initially,i think naval patrol boats need to fight with other navy.

I dunt know the boats are not intended for naval war fighting.

is it unexpected?

Finally,o know why Oz Armidale class Patrol Boats is equipped with 25 mm gun.

Roles of this Armidale class Patrol Boats.

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/msd/sea1444/sea1444.cfm

The Navy now has an improved capability to intercept and apprehend vessels suspected of illegal fishing, quarantine, customs or immigration offences.

AUSTAL DEFENCE NEWS.july 2005.Austal was the contractor of Armidale class.

http://www.austal.com/index.cfm?objectid=A97D78AA-A0CC-3C8C-D9C4420F5C3ECF8B

Royal Australian Navy 56m

The vessels will primarily be used by the Navy for the surveillance, interception, investigation and apprehension of vessels suspected of illegal fisheries, quarantine, customs or immigration offences.

Therefore,considering the roles of Armidale class naval patrol boats,

i think 25 mm fits the roles.

SBS2601D SG

a bit hardcore for pcg?

The Hamilton class of PCG is slightly bigger than our frigates.

And can you see the Harpoon tubes at the forward part of the ship?

lionnoisy SG

The Hamilton class of PCG is slightly bigger than our frigates.

And can you see the Harpoon tubes at the forward part of the ship?

I am not here to compare which country is more powerful than other countries.

Just to state the facts.

US CG is one of the 5 armed forces in USA!No wander US CG cutters looks

like naval combat ships!!The weapons fit the roles,not the other way round!!

If u have more powerful weapons,u can extend your roles when situation

require.So,before i know the roles of Oz PB,i am suprised that

a ocean going boat of 42 days endurances only get the 25 mm Typhoon.

Now,i understand their roles is NOT for naval combat.

references

http://www.uscg.mil/top/missions/

National Defense: Defend the nation as one of the five U.S. armed services. Enhance regional stability in support of the National Security Strategy, utilizing the Coast Guard’s unique and relevant maritime capabilities.

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/msd/sea1444/sea1444.cfm

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SBS2601D SG

Was I even comparing?

lionnoisy SG

oh USA 5 armed force--

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces

U.S. Army
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Navy
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Coast Guard--

"the Coast Guard, now an agency of the Department of Homeland Security and can be transferred to the Department of the Navy by the President or Congress during a time of war."

So,now u know why US CG is so powerful lah...

lionnoisy SG

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In addition to current 27 km fence,another 40 km coastal fence will be erected.

现长27公里我国海岸将增40公里栅栏防堵非法移民
为了更有效的防堵非法移民通过水路偷渡入境，警方将在海岸装置更多的栅栏，估计额外增加栅栏连接起来约有40公里长，使海岸栅栏总长度达67公里。

http://www.zaobao.com.sg/sp/sp090717_002.shtml--7 days only.

read below for full article.

SG is increasing the length of coastal fence for the 180 km coast line.

u can trace location of fence here

http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/port_and_shipping/circulars_and_notices/port_marine_notices.page

look for construction..in northern coasts

Some fences were alreday completed in northern coast.

http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory200907170204-75743.html

Singmarine SG

Will some greenpeace activtists protest some kind od ecological or biological concerns?

Say they strip naked in Orchard road etc?? Those things they always do in the west.

lionnoisy SG

look at page 705 here.The decommissioned Swift class PH 51

was called Mako Shark!!u can see the old boat.

A vicious shark has joined the Singapore Police Force’s (SPF) ranks in the fight against crime on Singapore’s coastal waters. The Mako Shark PH 51, that is. Swift on the waters and precise in its attacks, the Mako Shark PH 51 patrol boat was officially handed over by Dutch master shipbuilder, Damen Shipyards Group, to the Singapore Police Coast Guard (PCG) at the PCG Brani Base on 3 February 2009.

http://www.spf.gov.sg/prints/plm/2009/febmar09_pg04.htm

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lionnoisy SG

if u cant get the page.search Google by books

"Mako Shark" + Patrol boat

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Now,i understand their roles is NOT for naval combat.

Now then you understand?

Then how come back then no matter how much people told you the facts and did proper analysis you simply REFUSED to understand?

In fact, it seems, you only "understand" when Singapore follows suit and does the same thing.

Let's quote your previous quotes on this issue to see how well you "understand" anything, if it's not done by Singapore.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Let's see... this is how much difficulty lionnoisy had with accepting the use of 25mm autocannons on patrol boats... before Singapore decided to do the same.

No need to remind us how powerful of weapons

in Oz Patrol Boats.But I pity the PB crews that they

,in your valuable views,have to fight with enemy naval

ships with their 25mm guns.

Do u think enemy naval ships,sailing from thousand

of miles away,just equipped with small guns to

fight with Oz PB ?

He also supports teleporting ships that can pop up out of nowhere besides "Oz PB"

which are on station in any day,happen

to be around ?What is the chance that the help can reach in ,say within 1 hour ?

Patrol Boats in Oz is really patrol boats.This is for

'' to intercept and apprehend vessels

suspected of illegal fishing, quarantine, customs

or immigration offences''

http://www.defence.gov.au/budget/06-07/dar/2006-2007_defence_DAR_09_v2_s2.pdf

Oz patrol boat.Where is the weapons?

Patrol Boat in SG is in fact not--just ---patrol boats!

Weapons
76 mm OTO MELARA SRGM
MISTRAL Surface to Air Missile
WHITEHEAD Torpedoes

Wow, all this a very different tune from what he's singing now.

So now he "understands"... he only says he "understands" because Singapore is following suit and he bo pian have to say that it's good.

Atobe SG

Noisy Pussy's favorite patrol vessel - meets all criteria of low acquisition and operating costs, great fighting abilities, and stealth.

lionnoisy SG

Now then you understand?

Then how come back then no matter how much people told you the facts and did proper analysis you simply REFUSED to understand?

In fact, it seems, you only "understand" when Singapore follows suit and does the same thing.

Let's quote your previous quotes on this issue to see how well you "understand" anything, if it's not done by Singapore.

Hi Sg Ty,

U seem have not read my reply.Can i repeat my reply here which is already shown

in above posting..

I think i mean 25 mm is not enough for naval patrol boats.

Initially,i think naval patrol boats need to fight with other navy.

I dunt know the boats are not intended for naval war fighting.

is it unexpected?

Finally,we know why Oz Armidale class Patrol Boats is equipped with 25 mm gun.

Roles of this Armidale class Patrol Boats.

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/msd/sea1444/sea1444.cfm

The Navy now has an improved capability to intercept and apprehend vessels suspected of illegal fishing, quarantine, customs or immigration offences.

lionnoisy SG

to be fair to me and you,all forumers are welcome to read the 38,000

hits hot thread

http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314188

the original thread is

"Only up to 10 naval cambtant platform defending Oz a day in 2006/07."

long form of thread

"Only up to 10 naval cambtant platform,plus 9.4 Armidale class Patrol Boat(Coast guard role) defending Oz a day in 2006/07."

MODs amended my thread without my knowledge and consent.

1.Typhoon is not powerful enough for Oz Patrol Boats

I did not say Typhoon is not good

What i mean is Typhoon is not powerful enough for Oz Patrol Boats..

With the small no. of nava ships in Oz fleet,i assume Oz Patrol boat

need to go to sea alone.With endurances of max 42 days,any PB wil

be far away from any reinforcement,should PB need help.

Therefore,i think for the safety of PB crews and to help Oz Navy to

protect Oz more effectively,PB shall get more powerful weapons.

Eg ,more powerful maoin gun,anti--sub or anti--air/missiles.

Typhoon 25 mm is supposed to act as a second gun in main naval combat ship,

buy main gun for coast guard.pl read Typhoon brochure.

u can see the limited fire power and no. of naval ships in Oz fleet.

-http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/343646

2.Naval PB is not doing naval role,but Coast Guard roles

pl read the above

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/msd/sea1444/sea1444.cfm

"The Navy now has an improved capability to intercept and apprehend vessels suspected of illegal fishing, quarantine, customs or immigration offence"

U and I do not expect Oz PB to engage naval threats with a Typhoon.Right?

lionnoisy SG

3.Small no. of Oz naval fleet needs PB more powerful

In addition to abt 10 combatants on station in oz fleet ,

there are abt 10 Patrol Boats sail in any day.

The reasons of small no. of ships are many are sitting on docks

for upgrading or get well programmes.

Here is the proof.

http://www.navy.gov.au/spc/workingpapers/Working%20Paper%2011.pdf

No improvement in the past 8 years!!

Hard to believe ,right?But see to believe!!

Adelaide Class..... ANZAC...Collins...Patrol

Guided missile FFG... FFG.....SSK......Boat

Annual Report 2006/07

Platforms in services--------------4......8..........6.......11

URD(unit ready day)-----------------------------1046....1850......817....3449

Achieved(in days)----------------951....1829......802...??

Substantially achieved(days)---874......1669....583...2427

Platforms avaiable per day(max):2.9.......5.1..........2.2.....9.4

Total:10+9.4 Armidale class Patrol Boat(Coastal guard role)!!

pl read the opening post here.

http://sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314188

Oz is a very very big country.Is it better that the 10 PB sail in any day

can be at least as powerful as Singapore PB--that is

Weapons
76 mm OTO MELARA SRGM(20 km v Typhoon 3 km)
MISTRAL Surface to Air Missile(none in Oz PB)
WHITEHEAD Torpedoes(None in Oz PB.5 SG PB ships only out of 11)

i read from mindef web site that MISTRAL can engege missiles.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/navy/assets_hardware.html

All the major Oz cities are coastal cities.Naval defence shall not be

taken lightly!!